I set these rails on my 15 degree woody. These are amazing for laps. The route is around v1-2, you can get 2 pads 1.5 pads but just about to your second knuckle deep. Great side pulls and good feet when set the opposite direction. I plan to set the WiFi look on my 30degree next to see how the do as straight up training rails. But as holds themselves they are fantastic. Also I noticed if you don’t want the full set you can pick and chose which sizes you would like which seems like a cool option. Good work atomik keep them coming.