Hold #4 from the set of five has room for four hands. The lip of the holds comes off the wall by just over 3" so it has a higher profile than Hold #1 and #3. The 'off the wall' measurement is still low enough to be used on home walls. We all hate elbow rackers from high profile holds. The incut is a little more than 45-degrees, so on most angles up to roof, it is still a jug. It is not a roof jug.