Glancing at my wall and seeing this hold up there makes me want to train just a little more. It is so fun creating obscure toe hooks, heel hooks, or sloper problems at 30 degree angles. Once the wall angle kicks down, it handy to be able to kick a bolted hold into the Golfus and create tensioned movements. However at a true 45, depending on what hold you use, you can either get a V0 or V12.