This is a great hold if your looking for something to really feel stable on! I use it as a start that really targets my feet placement, it’s really nice to have a solid jug to be able to focus on my foot work. I have it near the bottom of my 12 ft wall with 25 degree angle, but eventually hoping to make it the hold for a dyno move. Still working on getting stronger, so it’ll stay as my old faithful hold for now.