I have these on my 30 degree and horizontal roof, and they are probably the most versatile holds I own. Definitely a crowd favorite! They're more positive than I was expecting (compared to many of the pockets at Joe's haha) and endless possibilities for setting. They're pretty juggy, but can be oriented at odd angles to incorporate the more shallow parts of the hold, with that you get a little bit of everything. Make for some pretty interesting matches, thumb catches, and underclings! Great staple for a home wall, nice on the skin and these are loved by beginner and advanced climbers alike- they're something for everyone with these, just buy them!