I LOVE the L-shaped jugs! They're fun because while they are total jugs, they are really only juggy if you come at them from one side of the hold. Straight on, you do get a pretty good grip, but it's best from a specific angle, so really can test you. I have them on a 25 degree angle wall, so the jugs are nice. Mixed them into a variety of routes. This does include a double hander and it's fun. The pockets aren't super deep, but definitely a big jug!