These were among my first holds from Atomik and are still some of my favorites. I use them on my 35 degree wall, and they feel in the v3/4 range in their most positive orientation. They are just big enough to encourage an open grip, rather than a pinch, but they are not so big as to be space hogs on the spray wall. If you have limited space and want some all-purpose slopers, these are a good choice.